Yeah. I used to wear a modest skirt, and carry a bookbag. Now I can wear jeans when I ride my horse instead.
Country Girl
i've been thinking about changes in my world view lately and wonder if others have had a similarly subtle, yet profound, outlook on life.
not being a jw nor even a believer anymore has made a subtle change that ive observed.
to begin with, i read somewhere that people tend to bring their own standards to their religion.
Yeah. I used to wear a modest skirt, and carry a bookbag. Now I can wear jeans when I ride my horse instead.
Country Girl
sorry for the delay in posting, but it wouldn't let me submit this new topic because i did two new topics last night!
i've learned my lesson so next time will be more careful the night before a big silentlambs event!.
while the reporters were talking to bro.
Great Goin Gutsy Grits!!
Glad everything went so well down there in Orlando. I can see you are as energized as all of us. It was a wonderful post and I loved reading all the details. Thanks to all of you down there in Orlando for your bravery and for standing up for lambs with their mouths "x'd" out. heheheh... Yer one courageous cowboy! Yahoo!!!
Country Girl
like we say in texas "yahooooo!".
what a great post.
i loved reading all the details.. glad you got your media coverage!
Like we say in Texas "YAHOOOOO!"
What a great post. I loved reading all the details.. glad you got your media coverage! Sounds like you had a phenomenal amount of media folks there. Yer one courageous cowboy.. hehehh. You and Bro. W, wife, and child. Glad everything went so well.. and I can see you are on a high like the rest of us.
Country Girl
just checking in to share the details of our local press conference!!
it turned out to be a handfull of us there, including: barbara and joe anderson, tatoomom, and myself.
all in all it went very well.... we didn't even have any dubs show up..... i guess they were on their mcdonald's break at the time!!
Great job Nashville!!! We're really proud of you all. As hard as it was, only good can come of it. HUGS
Country Girl
ok, well we had 7people total to support the silent lambs.
it was me,valis, my roommate, country girl, and 3others from oklahoma.. we had 2 reports show.
one was a talk radio station, and another was from a tv station---no camera though.. the reporter from channel 8 is wanting us to do a documentary type thing.
Good work Jess, Country Gal, and Valis. Thought the "elder" comment to be pretty funny as well as the "you forgot your stuff". OMG, "you forgot your stuff". What was he expecting you to do, take your signs down. LOL. "Please country gal, do what Mr. elder says and take your signs away. You may have accidently left them there. HAHAHAHAHA."
Well, that Elder, living in Dallas, should know better than to mess with a Greek and a Puerto Rican, and Texans on top of it... heheheh! He was *so* unbelievably pompous, with his white tailored shirt on, with his cell phone, just strutting around like Pharoah. <shivers> I know what we forgot: we forgot to assimilate. <grin> Borg-style.
Country Girl
ok, well we had 7people total to support the silent lambs.
it was me,valis, my roommate, country girl, and 3others from oklahoma.. we had 2 reports show.
one was a talk radio station, and another was from a tv station---no camera though.. the reporter from channel 8 is wanting us to do a documentary type thing.
Just got back from Dallas. It was so awesome, I can't believe it. I got up there yesterday from Austin and went to Jesika's house to stay (after spending 2 hours in the city lost.. heheheh -- you know us little townies!). We spent last night making signs with Bob (an elder from Dallas that I've known since the first Apostofest in 1995), Jesika, Lin, myself, and Sharon. We were hoping the Oklahoma girls would come last night, but we were sad when we didn't see them. Jesika's roommate also hung out with us (he taught me how to shoot a bow and arrow). We all stayed up late partying and making our signs. Bob brought us a little lamb to bring to the Kingdom Hall. Lin brought three little lambs. I stopped at three places on the way to Dallas and couldn't find *any* lambs! <argh!> They are such nice people: all of them! =) We all got up real early, real hung over.. heheheh. Jesika's roommate went with us for support. We loaded up our signs, our lamb, and Jesika ALMOST forgot the flyers! But she did remember her speech.. ehhehh. She looked real purty. So we got speeding over to the Kingdom Hall. I had busily put out press releases to the media on Monday night, along with Lin and Jesika... we didn't know who/when they would show up if any. We were kinda nervous as we unloaded our signs and stood on the corner of the intersection. Jesika handed out flyers to passerby in cars (one guy even gave us a handfull of God Bless America bumper stickers--grin). I started passing flyers on my side of the street, but I musta looked scary cuz no one would open their window to take one! =( I couldn't stand rejection anymore, so I just gave them to Jess, and she finished passing them out. Travis showed up so we gave him a sign, then Kelley from Oklahoma City got there. We gave her a sign. She said she felt like a JW in how she was standing with her hand behind her back. It was hotter'n blazes out there, too. Bluck. Sticky. This KH is in the nicest part of Dallas, the snooty neighborhood, but Travis told us he thought it was mostly poorer people from Central and South Dallas. Then this really strange blonde woman came over to me saying she was curious (she drove up in the parking lot -- I thought I smelled a rat) and read my sign and I explained to her why we were there. She got the look on her face like she just smelled a stunk and went running back to her car. I figured it wouldn't be long before there would be some Hoovers there. A radio station car pulled up, but they were smart and stayed in their car until the time for the press conference (10:30). They had their A/C blasting.. heheheh. Jesika then went over to their car at 10:30 and they came out and interviewed her. She did a real good job and I am very proud of her. The reporters didn't really want to seem to stick to the script but kept asking questions. Then a man from Channel 8 Dallas came and was talking to us all... Jesika took the lamb, stuck it on the door and put a sign in the handle of the door. Then a JW woman drove up, jumped out of her car and threw the lamb and sign in the parking lot. We had signs stuck in the grass all around the KH. She told Jesika that we shouldn't be there "stirring up trouble" or whatever and then drove off after telling us she was going to call an Elder. Woooo... shakin in our boots. The Channel 8 guy was hopped up on getting a story, but they had an emergency that morning and couldn't bring a camera crew. He said he wished he would have. But he said he's going to do a special piece for the news in two weeks and interview all of us, even the gals in Oklahoma! YAY! He was very kind and couldn't believe all the things we were telling him. He almost looked incredulous. Meanwhile Jesika, I, and Kelley went and put the lamb back on the door and the sign. An Elder drove up and told Jesika she forgot her stuff, she said "no, sir, it's yours." We went back to talk to the reporter. He said he wants to do a short documentary for the news, and soon so that it would be a promo piece for the march on New York. COOL BEANZ!!!!! Then the other two gals from Oklahoma finally showed up! Yowza.. wish they woulda been there earlier!!! We loved meeting them and we all just got along great. Then we all got in our cars and went for a nice cool drink. The elder was strutting around in the KH parking lot like a little banty rooster talking on his cell phone: so piously and arrogantly. BLAH. So as soon as we drove out of the parking lot, the first lady comes back and starts taking our signs out of the ground. hehheheheheh... it was wonderful! Wish you all could have been there. Country Girl
i am still shaking from the phone call!!!!!!
i just go off the phone with a reporter from the dallas morning news(paper).
she is a reporter for the religion section of the paper and she was interested and disgusted with what i told her--about the 2 witness policy.
I'm here With Jesika. She's scared, and so am I. She has been practicing her speech all night. We've been trying to help her. She has cried, I've cried. She's gona be awesome tomorrow. I've thoroughly enjoyed being with her and all of our supporters that came up for the sign party.. we had a lot of fun. We're going into this really scared and really naive. We don't know what is going to happen but we are ready. When she read her speech it made me cry because I know what she has gone through.. and I thought about my own abuse... and the years of abuse of being a JW.. and then I realized that what she is, what we are, about to do, is pretty scary. God be with us. She's really scared and she's practicing over and over again. we're all scared. But mostly she is scared. Please pray for her, I know she could use a lot of support. I'll be here with her.. but she could use all the extra prayers and support she can get. She's a brave person. In fact, all of us could use a lot of prayers and thoughts.
Country Girl
Theenie from Austin
do you know why the society says this?
regardless of whether the meeting is for the purpose of shepherding, sharing bible advice,or simply giving encouragement, "she could develop romantic feelings for the elder.it is possible for an elder to develop improper feelings for a sister he is comforting or counseling.
it is especially important never to meet with a sister alone when the sister being assisted has been a victim of abuse, suffers from depression,or for any other reason is in a delicate emotional state.a woman in such an emotional may be more vulnerable and may be prone to develop improper feelings toward an elder meeting with her.
This really is good counsel: among JW's and among corporate people. Then, their LIES cannot be corroborated. If you meet alone with a JW sister, you are setting yourself up for true disaster since it can't be PROVEN that she islying. It's better for corporate people and for elders to meet with someone there.
Country Girl
yes i know you're all getting p*d off with my jwzone threads, but i couldn't let this one go by!!!!!!
so, i'm just going to embed the thread here and let you guys comment...hehe...some jwzoners are going to get their heads bitten off in this thread!
edited by - syn on 8 august 2002 13:43:36.
It's painfully apparent that they think Bowen is a dutiful son gone wayward, but he'll be back; and when he marches on the Society's headquarters in NY he'll be bringing in new converts. Ugh. Their self-righteous and delusional banter makes my stomach turn.
I would have one question to ask them though: If their daughter, mother, sister, aunt, etc. were sexually abused by some religious leaders and treated in the way we have seen demonstrated again and again, would not their stomachs sour like milk with vinegar? I wonder how many tunes would change.
But remember what they are dealing with, and the enveloping mind alterations.
What I would like to ask you kindly ladies and gents in this thread is this: Do you feel guilty for some things you might have done in the name of the Jehoovers? Something that might have been cold, inconsiderate or lacking in empathy or compassion? I know I have. And I really regretted it.
Country Girl
i found this material on a pro-jw newsletter, and i've had this personal experience myself and know many others who have also.
before i became a jw i experienced a tremendous amount of "love" from the congregation i associated with, but once baptized they leave and move on to the next potential convert.
as a single person, i was never invited out to gatherings very much and always felt a little left out in the very clique-ish congregation that i attended.
Hello Kjell and Wind:
I am also of Swedish descent, and have been enjoying your posts. My kinfolk came from Varmland, Sweden. I'm third generation. Our family last names were: Helberg, Errikson, Johnson, Nelson, Gustafson. My cousin works at the car manufacturing company in Gottenborg. Lots of different names! I personally dont' like lutefisk, but lots of my relatives do! Nice to meet you Mr. Kjell and Wind, and I hope that I can read more of your posts in the future!
I found my experience to be of both kinds in the Witnesses. One congregation (my Swedish grandmother's) was small, rural, and *very* loving. The other one (mine) in the City was rough, gossipy, cliquish, etc. I was on the fringe because my Father was an unbeliever, but the brothers were always right there to tell my Mother how to discipline her six young children. Pffffft... Love? Not in that congo.
Country Girl